The withdrawal of US and coalition forces from Afghanistan,
the rapid deterioration of the Afghan government and military, and the return
of the Taliban will have profound implications for the future of South Asia.
At
Wilson Center in the latest event in its “Afghanistan: Hindsight Up Front”
initiative participants discuss the future of the region with leading
journalists, former diplomats, and thought leaders from India and Pakistan.
Following are selected quotes:
David Hale
"I’d like to comment first on Afghanistan. Our leverage
remains real…it’s limited. The Taliban, in my opinion, do not crave
international legitimacy so much that they will compromise on their core
principles or change their true colors. Their statements, the ones that we're
hearing now, are to be expected, while their behavior, which we're seeing now,
demonstrates that they've not really changed since 2001. And when they say
governance will be guided by Sharia, they mean their version of the Sharia,
which will make Saudi Arabia look a lot like the city of San Francisco."
"We must apply pressure, even if chances of it altering
behavior are limited. We can build a coalition that will take the measures we
have already taken, and more. I am speaking of freezing assets, stopping cash
transfers, withholding diplomatic recognition, continuing UN sanctions, while
of course communicating to the Taliban, how to ease these pressures, which
would be on their part, suppressing ISIS and Al Qaeda, protecting human rights
and humanitarian access, and allowing the processing of refugees, among other
goals."
Maleeha Lohdi
"While there is no daylight between various members of
the international community on what the expectation is of the Taliban. If you
look at the Security Council statement, if you look at the OIC communiqué, you
look at the Human Rights Council statement of two days ago. They all say the
same thing, so do not underestimate the power of collective opinion, this is
extremely important. I also think it's unprecedented. Never have I seen—I've
served at the UN for five years—never have I seen so much solidarity, in terms
of expectations. So, I don't think it would be correct to say that the Russians
and the Chinese want something else, and the Americans everybody wants, top of
the agenda, as David Hale says, top of the agenda for everyone, is combating
terrorism, there is no question about that."
Nandan Unnikrishnan
"A stable Afghanistan, under Taliban rule—oppressive or
not, I'm not getting into that—would distinctly increase China's role in the
region. China's BRI would definitely then move ahead and Central Asia, West
Asia, and of course, parts of South Asia, would come under increasing influence
of the Chinese. From an Indian perspective, given our current relationship with
China, it is not necessarily the best scenario. But, at the same time, as I
said, it is probably better than the second scenario, where Afghanistan is
unstable. I think Ambassador Lodhi has very eloquently described what happens
to the region, not only us, but even, let's say, Central Asia and other
areas….It is a danger, not just to Pakistan, it's a danger for everyone."
Huma Yusuf
"No, I think this does get at the point that I was trying
to make right at the outset, which is that, I think a lot of this, this myth of
Pakistan’s leverage, or so-called, control, or puppet mastery of the Taliban,
this is outdated and inaccurate and is certainly not rooted in what's to come.
A lot of that will have to do with the dispensation that does emerge in
Afghanistan and the level of control that a Taliban-led regime based in Kabul
would have over the rest of the country, and on the sort of numerous militant
groups that are operating in that area, and the fact that, we know that there
will never be that kind of neat, centralized control, and we also know that, as
activities happen and fingers are pointed here and there, that all groups will
constantly try and refer to this idea of plausible deniability, that actually
what I see emerging is a scenario where there is more potential for two
sovereign states, Pakistan and Afghanistan, to find themselves at odds, and so
there's this notion that Pakistan will be the leverage, Pakistan will speak to
the Taliban, on behalf of the rest of the world, I just think that that's an
outdated notion."
Venkateswaran Lokanathan
"The other question that I think requires a fair deal
of deliberation is whether the US will accept a more proactive role for Russia
and China in Afghanistan and the region moving forward. Russia has already
started playing a more active role in neighboring Central Asia. President Putin
has expressed concerns over the spillover of radical Islam into the region.
Simultaneously, the presence of certain groups like the ETIM, which is
sympathetic to the UYGHER cause in Xinjiang, also raises concern for China, and
hence China is also now becoming more actively involved. It has already
begun diplomatic engagement with Taliban, and President Xi, and President
Putin, have also agreed to cooperate with developments in Afghanistan, and more
importantly against foreign interference. "
Mark Green
"In 2020, Congress created a blue-ribbon panel of
experts called the Afghanistan Study Group. Its purpose was to create new
recommendations on Afghanistan for policymakers. I was a member of that study
group. Our final report called “A Pathway for Peace,” concluded that the best
American approach for Afghanistan, required a new overarching regional
strategy. The report stated that Afghanistan lies in the middle of a region
beset with rivalries and low levels of trust. It saw the potential for a
fragile, but real regional consensus, behind a stable and neutral Afghanistan,
that is neither a haven for terrorists, nor a fiefdom of the Taliban. We found
that a stable Afghanistan would create the potential for regional economic
cooperation that could benefit all countries in the region. But we also warned
that an unstable Afghanistan risks destabilizing the region, to continue trade
and illicit drugs, the attraction of extremist ideologies, and the possible
exacerbation of the rivalry between India and Pakistan, two nuclear-armed
powers."